Vavoom 1.13 beta

[moose]

So why doesn't the beta work for me but it does for others is it because i have windows perpare some C++ stuff at start up.<br><br>

Anyone using M$ products digs his/her own grave.

<br><br>What does that mean i'm sorry if it sounds a bit of a stupid question.

[RambOrc]

Nah... it's that Janis compiled the beta with an M$ compiler and thus it doesn't work right. He compiled the final 1.13 release with a non-M$ compiler and this it works fine. <br><br>What I meant with "digging your grave" is the more M$ products you use, the less your computer will behave in a way you could await when applying common sense. When you have Winblows and a 3rd party office package and things don't work, M$ support will tell you to get M$ Office. Which will make your config even more wobbly, in real life. It also makes your computer the slower and slower. While it was M$ who created the uninstall guidelines, it's them who keep themselves to it the least. You can't even deinstall M$ Office. We had about a dozen tries at the company until we could get rid of Office 2000 on machines where Office XP was installed on top of them. I've been sitting on evey user's machine for hours in total time and they couldn't work, just becuz this crap company doesn't want you be able to get rid of your shit once you realize it for what it is. As for Office XP on a clean new installation, you can uninstall it fine --- except that it'll leave half the stuff on the PC, in whatever folders and dunno what. You can confirm it by setting a lot of things in Office XP for your user, like mail accounts, personal settings, etc., then deinstall XP, restart the computer, and install Office XP from the CD anew. Once the installation is finished, all your settings will be there for all Office programs. They were never deleted. While it makes life easier to us now and again in the company (where we need to reinstall Office XP every week for this or that user becuz it stopped working), it's a complete BS on a personally used PC where you want to get rid of it when you deinstall.

[Col.J.P.]

True...unfortunately...I installed Office97 in WinXP and my putter lost a lot of instantaneous speed...<br>Then I uninstalled it...cos it was

[RambOrc]

Well my advice is don't by Office XP, get the latest Lotus SmartSuite or Star Office instead. You pay 3x-30x less, get more value and less probs. As for writing texts, just open WordPad (if you can't find a prog with this name in your localized version, just go to the Winblows directory and look for a write.exe, that's the one).<br><br>BTW I thought you're still on the beach, WTF are you doing before the comp again? Playing KMOD 2.2?

[Janis Legzdinsh]

So why doesn't the beta work for me but it does for others is it because i have windows perpare some C++ stuff at start up.

<br><br>No, simply they are using OpenGL or Direct3D renderers, not software.<br><br>And if someone doesn't know this - Office and many other Winblows progs are storing settings in system registry. You can edit it with Registry editor, just start regedit.exe from Windows directory. And one thing, why Office makes system slower is because it installs some stupid programms, that are launched at startup, that are "accelerarting" opening of documents, but that means - slower performance. They are located in StartUp folder in the Windows menu. You can see all stuff, that is loaded at startup, by using msconfig, also from Windows directory.

[RambOrc]

Editing Registry sounds easy, but try to remove all keys for a prog, they're at a 100 different places, not together. Most of the time you don't even know what expression to search for. Very few progs make it so structured that all stuff is e.g. in HKEY/LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE . Lastly I wasted 2 days at work with a LabelWriter software that looks anyway like a Win3.1 relict (though it uses the Registry). In the end I succeeded in removing so many keys that the Norton Ghost installation script I created couldn't reinstall the printer drivers. Take 2 stupid programs and try to make them work on the most stupid of all OSes... failure is guaranteed... ::)<br><br>As for those startup "accelerators", they are surely impressive, on a decently fast computer you just click on the Weird or XXL icon and they're instantly up and running. That you load them every time you start Winblows even if you won't use them is something people don't see and understand, they just mean Office XP is faster than competing products. <br><br>There is also at least a 3rd place where similar info is stored, in the user's personal folder (under c:\Documents and Settings), at least in Win2K multi-user environment. And I wouldn't be surprised if there would be still other places where stuff is stored. ::)<br><br>p.s. Janis, you should log in to the old server once again, your mailbox there is still not empty.  :P

[Janis Legzdinsh]

In Win98 SE some applications, such as Netscape 6, are storing data in 'c:\windows\Application Data\'.<br><br>p.s. Now it's empty.

[RambOrc]

Yeah, I had the shock of my life with that system... Somewhen last year I set my profile dir from this default to d:\NetscapeUsers\<something> , but I saw that the app still stored my mails at the old location, so a couple of weeks ago I got a fit and decided to delete that folder, as I assumed it was never used by Mozilla, after all. Next day I started up the machine, and none of my mail accounts were anywhere (not to speak about all other config data). It took me hours to rebuild the whole shebang and I nearly got a heart attack in the process, when it seemed I lost a mail archives of thousands of mails (current count 5194), among them 100-150 unanswered ones... ugh... <br><br>The only good thing was that I now have my whole Mozilla stuff (config files, mails etc.) at one place, just like with my Netscape 4 profile. I don't yet know how flexible Mozilla is, in Netscape 4 I just install the prog on a new comp, copy this profile folder, start to set up a new profile, don't enter anything into any fields, just this path, start Netscape 4 and everything is the way it should be. Next time I reinstall Winblows I'll see how far this is true for Mozilla.<br><br>Another benefit of this action is that now I know how Mozilla handles e-mails, the file structure is very similar to that of Netscape 4, meaning you can manipulate things by hand (and before Netscape 4.6 or 4.7, opening these source files was the only way to search for something in all messages, I've got a mail archives of another 9564 messages in Netscape 4, if you think of the fact I even delete part of the messages, this is one of the reasons I never get time to do anything ::) )...<br><br>BTW Janis, are you using Netscape 6 or Mozilla?<br><br>p.s. Regarding data storage places, even better is when you use a non-English version of Winblows with apps that use the original English directory names, not the $path values....  

[Janis Legzdinsh]

I'm using Netscape 6.1.

[RambOrc]

That's pretty near to the version I use (Mozilla 0.9.2). I downloaded 1.0.something (it corresponds to Netscape 6.2 or so, I think) a couple of weeks back, but in the end I didn't upgrade, as latest versions have a bug that won't automatically check POP accounts under the first one, and also using the "check all accounts" option doesn't work, which would render Mozilla Mail rather useless for me, I don't want to manually click and check all the accounts all the time.<br><br>Erm, I think I've been greatly digressing from the subject, sorry about that.

[Col.J.P.]

Spammers... <br>I

[RambOrc]

Basically, you go to the settings of every mail account, go to the Server Settings and tick the box that says "check for new mail at startup" (you can leave or disable the next option, it's not tied to it). Every time you start up Mozilla Mail, you get a notificiation for all accounts that have new mail (small green arrow). You can manually check mail (and download) any time from all accounts at once by hitting CTRL+SHIFT+T (or by clicking on the small arrow in the bottom right corner of the Get Msg icon, which opens a small dropdown, choose the topmost option there).

[Col.J.P.]

I got it...My Mozilla version is:<br><br>Mozilla<br>Mozilla 1.0 Release Candidate 1<br>Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0rc1) Gecko/20020417<br><br>Does it says anything to you?<br>Cause to me its plain greek... ;D

[RambOrc]

Your version is one of those in which what I just described above is broken.

[Col.J.P.]

You were the one who gave it to me...<br><br>Thank you very much... <br><br>Not that it matters much...I can always count on Microsoft... and its IE6...LOL